![]() ![]() ![]() That (for now) is the quickest and easiest method most Logic users have found. Using the Stereo output 1-2 channel fader to lower the output of all channels (Not change the individual channel levels) all at the same time. So if I understand correctly, the master output is like a VCA for outputs 1-2, 3-4 and etc. #Skitch for mac os x 10.6.8 proAs it is completely different between Logic, Sonar and Pro Tools. I'm just trying to grasp what the "master" fader in logic is. I know exactly how a mixing console works. I thought that you meant that the master fader controls all track outputs (going into the stereo outputs) as apposed to the stereo 1-2, stereo 3-4 etc. The solution for this situation is only to turn down all your tracks. A perfect scenario for when you would need this is: where some of your tracks are close to peaking on their individual tracks and you need just a little more juice for something like a vocal track beyond 0 db. So in extreme settings where everything is too hot into the stereo 1-2 bus, you could use the Trim as the first insert to tame the bus.Īnyways, Logic still needs to make it easy to turn down all the levels at the same time (with and without volume envelopes). With these extreme settings, I wasn't hearing distortion, so I am assuming that the floating point engine keeps this from clipping. Now I set this scenario up with extreme settings on other tracks to really push this much level through the stereo 1-2 bus, but this is what makes me wonder if it is possible to peak an input of the stereo 1-2 bus. But my first plug-in, Limiter, is cranked to -40 db. Notice that both my Output 1-2 and Master Faders are low showing -21 db as the highest peak. So here is an example of what I am talking about. #Skitch for mac os x 10.6.8 full sizeSo, in this case, it would not be clipping the input of the first plug-in on the Out 1-2 fader.Ĭan anybody clarify this? If this isn't true, then the only way to avoid clipping on the input stage of the Out 1-2 fader, would be to turn down all the tracks in the project.Ĭlick for full size - Uploaded with plasq 's Skitch However, it could be that the level won't clip the input stage of the stereo 1-2 fader in a floating point system (such as Logic). So I hesitate to just turn down the output level on the master fader to correct the problem unless, the fader is actually controlling pre-fader/pre-effects level (which it clearly isn't). The reason being that the signal will still be clipping, only brought down in volume so that the Post meter on the Stereo Out put isn't showing clipping.īy default, on the Out 1-2 fader, it is showing levels for post fader/after the plug-ins. In Pro Tools, on the Stereo Out 1-2, you should never fix the clipping on the bus by putting a trim plug-in on a first insert. I'm sorry if this is ignorant, but I am very use to a fixed point system with Pro Tools HD (48 bit fixed point). ? Does that mean that the Master Fader controls the level after the Plug-ins but before the Out 1-2 faders? However, when I turn down the master fader, I still see the same amount of signal hitting the first plug-in on my Out 1-2 Bus. You can't put any effects on the master bus and it almost seems like the Master bus is a VCA (no audio runs through it, it only controls the volume of all tracks in the session. Okay, so I'm a little confused about how Logic's busses are set-up. However, I recommend leaving the Master Fader to 0 dB and use the Out 1-2/Stereo out fader instead. Then it's better to place a gain plug-in before that 3rd party plug-in, and turn THAT down by 5dB. The only exception is if you have a 24 bit fixed 3rd party audio plug-in on your Out 1-2/Stereo Out channel strip. Relatively speaking, it is all apples, oranges, strawberries, pears, and bananas. My practice is to NOT let individual channels go above -.3dB at all - ever! Other than that example, My Master is always at unity and I will adjust Output 1/2 if automation is involved ( actually, my master and outputs are always set at unity.) I cannot put a Gain on the Master output, so I have to adjust the fader. Looks like my only option is the Master output. However, what if I have multi outputs such as 1/2, 3/4, 5/6 controlled with automation. It has been known to affect things like I/O plug in levels. The Master fader should be set at unity and forgotten. I could achieve the EXACT SAME result in a more simple fashion by simply lowering the Master Fader until the mix was peaking at -5db. Say I were to lower all of my tracks volume proportionally until the mix was peaking at -5db. Well, I hate to beat a dead horse here, but I'd like a definitive answer I suppose. ![]()
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